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hi, everyone, on this friday. the news nation is following joe biden's first live event since the big debate, perhaps tossing fuel on the fire, biden said in ken between he is right now in wisconsin. paul ryan's home turf. going into the debate, the marching orders issued by democrats loud and clear, be aggressive and don't let congressman ryan go unchallenged, as the president did in his first debate with romney. >> a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. [ laughter ] >> for ryan, the larger mission
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at least at the first ten-minute mark of the debate was to avoid being steamrolled while defending the controversial stances from governor romney. >> you weren't asked basically why i'm pro life. it's not simply because of my catholic faith. that's a factor of course. it's because of reason and science. >> life begins at conception. that's the church's judgment. >> i refuse to impose it on equally devout christians and muslims and jews. i refuse to impose that on others unlike my friend here, the congressman. >> the vice president dominated the night, handing out smiles and smackdowns. just take a look at the headlines, this one from the huffington post. they call it being bidened. from "the new york post," smirky biden upstages his boss. let's bring in today's political
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panel, michael smerconish, talk show host -- that could be michael smerconish, not ann cornbluth. you'd make a lovely ann, we'll talk about that for halloween. nevertheless, michael, let me start off with you. governor mike huckabee just gave an interview. he described joe biden as coming off as an obnoxious drunk. senator marco rubio referred to biden as a heckler, very few of the comments coming from republicans have to do anything with perhaps the substance of what he said, meaning he lied or biden didn't tell the truth on this or that. it's all about this tone. what do we make of the assessment, particularly referring to him as someone who came off as an obnoxious drunk? >> well, i think that's over the line. totally out of the box and over the line. in fact, probably the disappointment from mike huckabee is in the fact that he looked at that screen last night
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and he saw paul ryan who if he's not the vice president come january, will be the conservative standard bearer for at least the next four years. that's probably what drives huckabee's comments. look, the contrast last night was stunning. i don't mean between ryan and the vice president. i mean between biden and obama. because biden last night was everything that the democratic base wanted barack obama to be in his first presidential debate. the answer to your question really is, did he push the envelope too much? and i would say he did not push the envelope too much. i've been taking phone calls for the last two hours from a lot of folks who were in the gop base and they think that he did. i find it interesting that they're not saying anything about his substance. >> all right. ann, let me bring you in. you're far too beautiful for michael toll ever pull off anything close to you. let me bring you in on this. it's the truth. i want to talk about the medicare. we had high anticipation of
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whether or not the 47% comment would come up. it did in fact. what the showdown over medicare would look like between these two men. let me play one of the exchanges, ann. >> what we're saying is, no changes for anybody 55 -- >> what mitt romney is proposing -- >> the kinds changes we're talking about for younger people like myself is don't increase the benefits for wealthy people as fast as anybody else, slowly raise the retirement age over time. >> look, these guys haven't been big on medicare from the beginning. their party has not been big on medicare from the beginning and they've always been about social security, as little as you can do. folks, use your common sense. who do you trust on this? >> and that is a heck of a question, looking square into that television screen. we know about 5% of the people out there, ann, identify themselves as undecided. who was most effective, particularly on this medicare debate? >> well, look, it presented a very stark choice.
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i think people who are paying attention to the election probably already knew, which is if you like the system the way it is, then the democratic tick set probably more in line with your thinking and if you want change, whether because you think the system is broken or you think it's not allocated appropriately, then the republican ticket is for you. so i think you saw right there that encapsulated that. the looks on vice president biden's face were priceless throughout this. when it comes to medicare and the substance with which they were talking about, the choice couldn't be starker and i think both sides would own up to that part. >> jonathan cillizza, let me bring you in. conservatives have gone after the stimulus saying it did not work and that the president said with the stimulus we would see a million more jobs. it was infective. according to many republicans. but then, of course, the stimulus comes up and one of those moments where democrats have been waiting to see what they describe as hypocrisy when it comes to the stimulus, reared
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its head in the debate. let me play what happened. >> i love my friend here. i'm not allowed to show letters but go on our website. he siene me two letters saying, by the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of wisconsin. we sent millions of dollars. >> you did ask for stimulus money. >> sure, he did. >> on two oaks we advocated for constituents who were applying for grants. that's what we do. we do that for all constituents. >> i love that. i love that. >> jonathan, did conservatives love that moment like joe biden says he did? >> i think if joe biden had a good moment on the economy, that was probably it. i think he went into this debate with two goals. the first was to energize the democratic base. everybody knows that he did that. the second was to defend obama's economic policies. the first 15 minutes of the obama/romney debate were romney in this all-out assault that the president didn't really defend all that well. that's what people went away from the first debate thinking.
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romney has a lot of plans for the economy, obama can't defend what he's done. i don't think that joe biden fixed any of that last night. i think that was probably the weak point for him, defending the obama economic record. >> did congressman ryan defend or at least present a legitimate defense on why he would seek the stimulus? it's one thing to say that constituents wanted it and he was advocating for constituents but at the same time, we all know what he was saying about the stimulus at rallies and in public, not in letters being sent, of course, to the administration. that the rest of the people out there, many of them conservatives, thinking he's fighting against the stimulus and is opposed to it, they couldn't see the letters being sent to the administration asking for some of that cash. >> a lot of what members of congress do, if a constituent, if a fire department is asking for a new fire truck, if a twin is the asking for help with a government grant or something like that, they'll put their name on it. i think that's what he was trying to defend on it. >> come on, come on, let me in here, please. >> go ahead, go ahead. do i have a choice at this point?
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you're like joe biden. >> that's right. you know what, when you're passionate and you're right you've got to talk. i'm like joe in that respect. what you just heard was the biggest line of bull we heard from the republicans behind me. >> you obviously never worked on the hill, my friend. >> i worked on the hill for five years. >> a good elected official knows what their staff is up to. somebody who wants to be vice president of the united states, if his best explanation is, i guess my staff did it or better yet if he said, we always try to get money for our state except when i go out and argue against the money for my state. he was caught. he was speaking for the entire republican party at that moment. because these are guys in the republican party who want what they want from the government and then they tell you the government's evil when it comes to everybody else. >> listen -- >> that's why. let me finish. that's why romney and ryan support preserving tax cuts for
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all the capital gains and carried interest. everything else, my friend, your mortgage interest tax deduction and everything else is on table. >> okay. if that was the high point of joe biden talking about the economy last night we have a long way to go. americans still don't believe the stimulus worked. we're dealing with the weak economy. that's reality to people. >> but we also know , jonathan, let me jump in here. congressman ryan, they heard that he asked for stimulus money. are democrats now fired up? we were in kentucky live. we talked to people all day, talked to people this morning. i found it intriguing that people have been criticizing joe biden. we clearly know what his mission was. i even said we should play the music from "mission: impossible"
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and show his face. his commission was clear, he opened the envelope, he read it, it get get 'em and he did. obviously conservatives would not like that tone, not like that congressman ryan was interrupted, i believe they said like 17 times. who's counting. the bottom line, david, was it mission accomplished? is that why you are so animated at 2:09? >> i'm animated because i love this ticket, my president and joe biden. i'll tell you this, joe biden is in my state and paul ryan's home state of wisconsin. >> wisconsin right now. let me tell our audience, we're waiting to hear from mr. biden, vice president biden. it's his first live remarks hopefully we'll have them live for you. go ahead, david. >> let me say this, ryan might have won in kentucky, biden won in wisconsin, ohio, virginia and every other swing state. that's where it matters right now, folks. that's where it played the best. i don't care how biden played in
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alabama and i don't care how he played in texas. i'm looking at ohio, wisconsin, iowa, new hampshire, virginia, florida and he won. he won in those states because he was talking from the gut. and people are really wanting to hear where do you stand when it coulds to somebody like me? he won. >> who said he won in any of those states? where is this coming from? >> you. that's where it's coming from. you're the one who said all these people are saying he smiled too much and laughed too much. >> this is truly bizarre. >> you are talking to your base. i'm talking about the swing states. you can have alabama and texas. i don't care what they thought of joe biden. >> i don't even know what you're talking about. >> i'm talking about the election, the swing voters. >> let me give you some of the immediate reaction from people who watched the debate. cbs news asked the question after the debate who won. 50% said joe biden 31% said paul ryan. cnn had a poll as well. who won? paul ryan 48%, joe biden 44%.
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cnn parentally republicans were oversampled more than usual in a cnn poll. so that may be why that number's high up. and i'm going to give david and jonathan a chance to catch their breath and get your analysis. i've been flying all morning long and i'm not into man fights. this notion, the headline will be can president obama duplicate, replicate, pick up where biden left off, that is what matters here. >> i think that will be the headline starting tomorrow. we done the have to wait till tuesday. >> right. >> the fact that there's no unanimity of agreement like last week. last week everybody knew what happened, democrats, republicans alike agree, it had not been president obama's best night. last night both sides are defending their guy and i think it was probably close to being a quote, unquote, tie. but it doesn't really matter if
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it doesn't show up in the polls, four, five, sitch days later, a week later. i suspect we're not going to see any long-term vice presidential debate bounce. all these numbers i would take them with a huge grain of salt for today. >> absolutely. >> let's see where we are wednesday, next friday, something like that. >> perhaps to explain jonathan's passion, david's passion as well. both sides came out of that debate last night with something to energize them. i do, though, think when you talk to democrats at this point, at this juncture at this hour, they certainly have more enthusiasm coming out of joe biden's performance, especially based on what they wanted. they wanted to see someone from that ticket get up there, put up his dukes and fight it out. >> well, i think both bases are obviously energized. and the difference is that going into the debate the democratic base was really licking its wounds in the aftermath of the president's performance. there's most significant change. by the way, there's no shame in paul ryan's performance. >> absolutely.
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>> i thought he was solid, did himself no harm. established his conservative bona fides for the future which is going to be important to him. so what biden really did is he reset the table for tuesday night. he's now handed that ball back off to the president and it's now his to do with it as he can. >> all right. ann, thank you very much. i'll have to join you for a relaxing cup of tea after what we witnessed between david and jonathan. we'll mark it that joe juice. thank you all. greatly appreciate it. will president obama as you just heard, take a cue from vice president biden in four days when he faces off against mitt romney in the town hall debate? a town hall format, questions from the audience. it is the next big planned event that could shake up the race. we always know that things are unplanned can certainly happen. politico courthouse editor rachel smolkin and keith boykin will join us.
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what was the line that got the most tweets? the answer is -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> now you're jack kennedy. more than 58,000 tweets were sent after the kennedy reference. one more thing, moderator martha raddatz, twitter followers increased from 6,000 to more than 20,000 during the debate. and join our conversation online. you can join me on twitter. i think i'm at 50,000 now and @newsnation. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] this is rudy. his morning starts with arthritis pain. and two pills. afternoon's overhaul starts with more pain. more pills. triple checking hydraulics. the evening brings more pain. so, back to more pills. almost done, when... hang on. stan's doctor recommended aleve. it can keep pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is rudy. who switched to aleve. and two pills for a day free of pain. ♪
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lasting way alter the trajectory of the race. the biden/ryan clash will dominate conversation about the campaign will effectively amount to a holding pattern until tuesday. that's when they meet in new york for their second face-to-face, mitt romney and president obama. a week later in florida they go at it again, this one a foreign policy debate. and msnbc senior political analyst mark halperin says it is not a good idea, he thinks. >> the last debate should be all about the fiscal cliff. 90 minutes, what are you going to do about taxes and spending. it is the issue facing the country. it is the issue for who gets elect. if they don't deal with it in january, we'll have a world of trouble. >> let me bring in political analyst jim ritenburg.
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the town hall will be both questions from the public. do you think it should be about taxes and spending and where this country, at least the direction, the person who watts the white house is going to take us? >> you know, it's funny. i've been surprised that the first two debates weren't more about that anyway. i keep preparing on these debate nights. we try to prepare for what the story is going to be. i expect it to be about the fiscal cliff. >> you know, it's interesting with this town hall format perhaps you will have people in the audience who do ask the question about the fiscal cliff, what is happening, how do you break what is referred to as the fever within washington to try to get both sides to work together here. the bottom line, you and others have certainly made the comment that it is tuesday, what matters. we'll talk about what happened with joe biden and congressman ryan but the reality is, all eyes will once again be on the president more than anything to see how he steps up his game, if he can. >> yes. >> so basically i think that the
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consensus is that vice president biden bought the president a little bit of time. but it falls on the president's shoulders. before the first debate the president's campaign got him where it needed to get him. it was on his shoulders and the campaign would say he blew it. >> it's interesting, we're going into this next debate talking about foreign policy. andrea mitchell and others have noted if there was a major gaffe from vice president biden, it was his answer regarding the security concerns in benghazi we said they were unaware of those security concerns. it's had quote was exactly we weren't told they wanted more security when in fact we know that there had been a request, andrea mitchell pointed out, the state department did know that request for more security resources have been made. we know going into this second debate governor romney feels they at least can pick up momentum with libya. there are new events tooed in egypt we're going to report to our audience, major protests in egypt as well today. do the republicans have an
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advantage, especially if a lot of these questions are, again, on foreign policy? >> right now, first of all last night vice president biden's answer a gaffe or is the administration still fumbling around in general on this? he didn't seem to have a solid answer on it. today the administration is saying that not everyone db the vice president or president didn't know all the details about that. is this a gaffe or the white house not having its story straight yet? it seems to be the latter. >> going into that debate, questions on libya, the president, is it necessary at this point to deliver a clear time line so that this story line or this narrative the republicans are trying to pick up of there being incompetentence, and in some extreme corners accusing the administration of having a cover-up in the way ambassador rice was on the sunday morning shows i believe it was september 16th attempting to explain what happened based on the information she had available at the time. >> i mean, look at where we are. we're so many days after that
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initial rice interview and we're still talking about it. frankly, just from covering politics and government for too many years to mention, i haven't seen an administration fumble around for this many days on a pretty -- okay, these situations get confusing but it's pretty straightforward. i'm almost baffled it's taking this long for them to give an answer. >> we'll see what the president's answer is, perhaps if this comes up on tuesday. all eyes will be on the big debate in new york. thank you. appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. coming up -- as mentioned, more unsettling news out of egypt. this is today. tens of thousands protesters clashed, storming a stage and smashing equipment. it is the first major protest since president morriss morsi t office. if you think the vice presidential debate was too down and dirty, wait until you see what happened between two california democrats.
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biden's combative/ryan debate gives obama a chance to reset. analysis from reuters, ryan was solid but feisty biden won the debate. and in "the wall street journal," peggy noonan hits democrats for confusing strength with aggression. those headlines respect talking points we're hearing on both sides. >> congressman ryan last night, best advice president biden. he added to the momentum coming out of the first debate. >> the vice president is passionate. in those times within he was interrupting or flashing a grin, he was calling out paul ryan for lying. and that was what happened last night. >> let me bring in rachel smolkin, white house editor for politico and keith boykin, democratic strategist, cnbc contributor. >> rachel, wipe that grin off your face. it is not allowed in politics, apparently. here we go. the day after. we like to move forward in the conversation. will what we witnessed last night from either performance have any impact maybe even by next week?
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>> probably not. the debate helped keep the narrative going. maybe it helped the president a little bit. he'd been having a bad week. the momentum seemed to be shifting in romney's favor. last night, the show was all about biden versus biden. so the vice president gave both sides a lot to latch on to. for the democratic base, it was a great performance. biden went out and did exactly what president obama did not do in his first debate. he pressed his opponent. he gave an aggressive performance. for paul ryan, he stood on the stage or sat, in this case, and was able to hold his own against the vice president. >> so keith, do you think that congressman ryan held his own? >> i do not. >> surprise. i knew you were going to -- >> obviously mitt romney did a much better job, i think, last week. i don't think this -- >> let me pause you on that. you think mitt romney did a better job because so many democrats were saying the reason that the president struggled is because he was being hit with
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untruths and inaccuracies by mitt romney. how did that come as a better job when today you're not hear a lot of hard fact check at least rebuttal on what congressman ryan -- you may disagree with the policy plan but his facts in many cases were not as opposed as mitt romney's were. >> i think both of them have trouble with the truth. >> i know you think that. >> both mitt romney and biden. >> romney and paul ryan. >> yes. getting my names confused today. but at the same time, i think it's really clear that at least with romney, he has some sort of command of the facts even if he doesn't use them in a truthful way. with the case of paul ryan, he clearly doesn't understand what he's talking about in the issue of foreign policy. he knows what he's talking about in the issue of economic policy. there he's not being honest about that. so when biden challenged him on iran and said that we're doing everything that netanyahu wants us to do, i've known netanyahu
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for 39 years, he showeds his experience. when biden talked about afghanistan and said he's been there 20 times to iraq and afghanistan, what have you done? he showed his experience. one thing he would do differently, he couldn't come up with single example other than a silly talking point about not giving russia veto power. >> right, right. all he was doing was repeating rehearsed lines, tamron. i think people could see through that and tell there was no depth to what paul ryan was saying. >> rachel, if keith's point was accurate and vice president biden stepped up in an area which is considered hisexpe experti expertise. >> there were points when the congressman appeared to be
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reciting talking points, lines that he had memorized for the debate that was more true on foreign policy. which is not an area he has a lot of expertise in. he seemed more comfortable talking about budget issues. he's the house budget committee chairman. that's an area of strength. contrast that with the vice president's performance. he's very steeped in policy 27 years the elder in that debate. the question with biden was more about style. biden versus biden question, he was strong on his substantive points but on the split screen, we saw him laughing. we saw him interrupting. democratic base will love it. republicans going after him hard for being almost disrespectful. >> let me play what former ohio governor ted strickland, he was on the daily rundown. here's what he had to say. >> some is of the same people who are criticizing the vice president for interrupting and smiling or they say smirking last night, were the same people who were applauding mitt romney
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for being strong and for interrupting about a week ago. they can't have it both ways. >> rachel, are people trying to have it both ways? again, i said this at the top of the show, we know what the vice president's mission was going in there, it was to diminish paul ryan. it was to go after and finally get in what democrats have been waiting to hear, their 47% case that was made or remarks made on tape. so all of this notion that you know, his toothy grin, someone commented on how white his teeth were. are people watching the screen a little too hard and forgetting what his absolute mission was? it was to get the base, the democrats who were ho-hum last week in some respect, who had the president admit he was being too polite and changing his game, get those people pumping their fists while watching tv and throwing their popcorn the other direction. >> the vice president's mission was to be aggressive and he clearly took that very much to heart. the question is with independent voters did he take it too much
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to heart? were they watching and feeling like they were seeing someone who looked angry, was really going after his opponent a little bit too hard. yes. he got all of those attack lines in the 47% that so many democrats wished they had heard president obama use the week before. biden pressed that point repeatedly. >> again, we talk about undecided at this point. the polls show, we have one of the major pollsters with the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, the low information voters still unsure, 3% to 5%, a small percentage of people. if they're watching this debate last night, do they see someone that they go, oh, goodness, i couldn't possibly support joe biden after that performance? >> the presidency of the united states is a big, huge office. you want somebody who is not a boy scout, you want somebody who has the toughness to be able to handle it when somebody points a finger in your face. >> congressman ryan to his credit, was also tough. not as animated but he didn't wince away.
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>> he didn't wince away. he sat there and lied all night. the whole idea that republicans are basing their response to the debate on the idea that joe biden just laughed too much and smiled too much is an absolute admission that they failed to win on substance. and that's the reason why they've resorted to the whole stylistic argument. the other point is, after everything that joe biden witnessed for 90 minutes to sit up there with this young congressman who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, the idea that he only laughed is a polite response to what he could have said or done. >> these small moments can make a big difference. does anyone recall al gore's size, those comparisons being made. >> people didn't like al gore like they like joe biden. he's not stiff. >> the common analysis from all the pundits and even on politico is that this debate will not impact ultimately who people vote for. >> we're looking toward next week. >> we may play these clips when you and i are old and gray --
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but will they impact tomorrow? >> you'll never be old and gray. >> thank you very much. mitt romney kicked off the week delivering what his campaign touted as a major foreign policy speech. meanwhile, president obama went on the offensive, on the campaign trail, trying to bounce back from his admitted lackluster performance. the poll numbers are tightening. here's a look back. i know the president hopes for a safer, freer and more prosperous middle east allied with us. i share this hope. hope is not a strategy. >> this was never about a video. it was never spontaneous. this was terror. >> what happened was a result of political pressure. >> i have been a career foreign service officer for 39 years. i have served every president since richard nixon. i have directly served six secretaries of state. >> that debate, what happened? >> well, governor romney had a good night.
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i had a bad night. >> i think it's fair to say i was just too polite. >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey. >> he'll say these things to try and scare people. >> nbc news deputy politico editor dominico montinero. it's been an incredible week and, of course, capped off what what we witnessed last night. >> they all felt like long nights, to be honest. this week the libya hearing really dominated until we got that debate last night. it started off with the national polls have started to show mitt romney getting a bit of a bounce. mitt romney made some gains but president obama still with the slight advantage in ohio, that all pitch important state. tomorrow we'll see a lot of
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campaigning in ohio from the two republican candidates, so that's where they're headed and president obama is down, we assume doing debate prep before tuesday's debate. >> it's interesting. we had on former ohio governor ted strickland on yesterday. he was talking about why he believes the president is still ahead, even though he's seen the race close a bit. he still has a comfortable lead, at least it surprised governor strickland that it was still at the six point difference as opposed to the eight point. he does believe it's one of the topics that came up last night, domenico, the auto bailout. >> the obama campaign likes to say one in eight job are somehow tied to the auto industry. i checked that fact just in case it came up and talked to the center for automotive research and they said, yes, one in eight jobs are either directly related to the auto industry, meaning factory workers or auto dealers.
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a percentage of that is included in the cash who works in the town in a grocery store where there are a lot of auto workers. the auto bailout and the fact that president obama was for the bailout, mitt romney was against the bailout, really is a clear divide, a clear distinction. the romney campaign had no answer for that for months when the obama people and pro-obama outside groups were running ads hammering mitt romney and hurt his image there. >> domenico, thank you. >> thank you. the eu wins the nobel peace prize and is credited with turning europe from a continent of wars to a continent of peace. what about the violent ongoing massive protests as a result of the economic collapse in the eu? the daily beast's zachary -- joins us. new jersey governor chris
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christie known for, of course, his unique style is expressing a rare regret. the governor now tells "esquire" magazine he went too far when he called a former navy s.e.a.l. a, quote, idiot during a town hall last march. the two got into a heated discussion over plans to merge the law school the ex-s.e.a.l. was anded itting with another law school. take a look at last night's debate between two california democratic congressmen running against each other because of redistricting. congressman brad sherman and howard berman nearly came to blows. take a look.
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>> you saw the officer step in. the poor lady in the green came in to separate the two of them. i'm not sure if the audience realized they were, i guess, going to go to blows. anyway, congressman sherman later issued a statement saying he regrets his part while congressman berman's campaign released a statement accusing sherman of acting like a bully. those are the things we thought you should know. [ male announcer ] how do you trade? with scottrader streaming quotes, any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade.
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a controversial choice for this year's nobel peace prize. >> the nobel committee has decided that the nobel peace prize for 2012 is to be awarded to the european union. >> norway's nobel committee says the 27 member eu transformed europe from a con continent of war to a continent of peace. the decision comes with a lot of
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criticism. europe facing crippling economic crisis and massive austerity measures. in greece, people took to the streets of athens to protest a visit by german chancellor angela merkel. one woman said is this a joke? it mocks us and what are you going through right now. secretary of state hillary clinton is praising the decision. >> let me congratulate the european union on its nobel peace prize. certainly it's quite remarkable to see how unified and peaceful europe is in the 21st century. >> and joining me now, "newsweek" columnist, cnbc contributor zachary carabel. it's interesting this quote from the woman in greece who said is this a joke? it mocks us and what we are
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going through right now. that was one person's reaction in greece. >> this was an easy softball for some degree of ridicule. i read the headline and briefly thought someone had sent me a link to the onion. in all fairness, part of what the point is, the eu was the source of the greatest global destruction in the first part of 209th century that the planet has ever known. for these group of nations that were at each other's throats for centuries to make gradual steps from 1957 to the pren is the come together is in fact historically unusual and has benefited the planet. i know that sounds hopelessly idealistic and atypically noncynical but to be honest it is a prosperous region and a peaceful region within a lot of problems. >> one worker was saying the peace prize peace is one thing we don't know. angela merkel said this was an interesting decision. david cameron, his office had no
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comment. >> the europeans and the british conservatives are down on the whole eu experiment. they don't have peace in the sense there is no common vision of how this goes forward the way there was to create it in the first place. that's going to be one of the great challenge for the eu. it's going to be a challenge for the united states. >> this is not just limited to those 27 members. >> yes. >> this affects us and that's why we would start every show looking at the markets and the impact here. >> if they can't find their way forward as they have found their way to the present we are all going to suffer for it. what the nobel committee can do at best is recognize that in spite of the noise and the drama and the conflict right now, there has been movement and accomplishment that we should probably acknowledge respectfully, even though, you know, it's an odd thing to give it to an eu. s there the question of who will get the prize money. if you're a citizen of the eu, the last thing you feel is, hooray, this has been a great thing. >> zachary karrabell, thank you
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welcome back. time now for the gut check. our nbc news first read team wrote if there was something both sides agreed on last night, it was this, joe biden was aggressive at last nature's vice presidential debate. raynes thought he was too aggressive and democrats thought he was just right. biden threw the kitchen sink at paul ryan and mitt romney on
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issues that president obama didn't touch in denver. what did your gut tell you? did vice president joe biden's performance make up for what president obama admits was his too polite style? go to facebook.com/newsnation. enjoy your weekend. i'll see you on monday. it is friday. i forgot. "the cycle" is up next. [ male announcer ] unitedhealthcare wants to know
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o0 c1  ♪ ♪ hi dad. many years from now, when the subaru is theirs... hey. you missed a spot. ...i'll look back on this day and laugh. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. happy friday. the debate did not dispoint. it was a brawl. who came out on top? the answer's clear to me. we're here with the grin, the spin and win. >> biden was hot, obama was cold. now it's the third debate of the cycle and the president looks for his goldilocks moment. >> gaffes and